Hello all
I wonder if anyone can help me.
I was reacently served with a notice to terminate the lease by the management company. I think it was served late so that may help me out, however, even if I can get another 3 yrs out of them the problem will remain the same when I presume they will terminate again in another 3 yrs.
So what happens on termination? I have no idea where to go from there as it was a complete surprise they could do this - I was never advised of their right to terminate every 3 yrs. I am panicing to say the least.
Whats the position re the TVA equivelent given by the French government? I read I have to pay back the percentage left of the 20 yrs - is that the case even though I didnt terminate the arrangement?
What happens re the running or the residence - is it likely another mamagement company will take it on or not and if it is how does that happen? If there is no other mamangement company how are the common parts etc normally maintained.
Can anyone point me in the direction of an english speaking lawyer or other professional etc that could assist me?
Any other advice most gratefully received.
Thanks
Laura
Thanks Laura We are in same position as you. Can anyone advise pls. Monica O'Brien
I'm not experienced in this issue but I would think that your co-proprietors association should have seen this coming and have already started sourcing another manager offers.
Contact them and see what their strategy is as you will be stronger to negotiate as a group then as individuals.
I have read that several of the larger management firms are putting forth offers 25% less than previous terms in order to renew their leases.
It might be worth you contacting this solicitor. Some of us owners at Les Alberes used him when Odalys/ SGIT Gestion were trying to push some changes through at a previous AGM which would have been detrimental to us. He helped us out and speaks fluent English
Fabien Cordiez
Avocat à la Cour, Solicitor
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New regulations came into force in 2010 whereby leaseback companies can no longer break the lease every three years. This however does not apply retrospectively thus if your leaseback was set up prior to 2010, the old rule still applies - subject to what your lease states however. I would need to see a copy of your lease and the break notice to advise whether you have grounds to challenge termination by the leaseback company.
Termination of the lease can have tax consequences for leaseback owners. VAT may be due on a pro-rate basis unless another company takes over from the existing one. Minimum ratios of owners joining in the new scheme apply though.
If no other mamagement company takes over, then this not only causes investors financial problems, but in addition the property's leaseback status and the condo's articles can sometimes be an obstacle to owners selling their former leasebacks as a second home.
Quite often, another management company ends up offering new rental terms, but these may be a lot less advantageous for property owners. Hence the reason any cancellation or break notice should be carefully reviewed, to find out whether in the first place the leaseback company is or not entitled to walk away after only 3 years.
Hi Fabien,
I would like to sell one of my leasebacks, our new management company wish to cancell our lease and renegogate a new one. Our agent has said this is a opportunity to sell without a lease and the property may sell quicker as a second home. I notice from your post that you mention "leaseback status and condo's articles can be sometimes an abstalce to sell a second home"what do you mean by this ? Thanks
You are correct in saying this can be an opportunity to sell without a lease and the property will probably sell quicker as a second home.
Part of the VAT saved on the purchase price may be due however, as the VAT exemption is subject to the property being leased for at least 20 years. Many leaseback properties are, under a planning angle, classified as 'holiday letting property', as opposed to residential property. This sometimes means the local planning officer will object to such property being turning into a straightforward second home.
Moreover, the articles of incorporation of the building's condominium - the 'reglement de copropriete' can set out the same restriction preventing leaseback properties from becoming standard residential property. This, where it happens, can put off a prospective buyer and is aggravated by the fact the notaire will no doubt draw the buyer's attention to the issue. This is the notaire's role!
I hope I do not sound too negative here. I just wish leaseback owners to be fully aware of all potential legal and tax implications.
What a coincidence Fabien! I didnt get your name from this site but a friend of mine who lives in the South of France! And now I log on and see these posts - I feel very reassured!
Laura